What have I missed?

[Jack O'Neill]

Also, Star Trek The Next Generation. on for 7 years (or so) .
Most were very good.

Star Trek Deep Space Nine. An OK show, but got very annoying with all
the political crap
later on, Even I stopped watching it the last 2 years.

Star Trek Voyager, Another OK show which was worth watching. Many were
good.

Star Trek Enterprise, Another OK show, this one took place about 80
years before
Kirks Enterprise. It was just canceled a few months ago after it
started to get really good (IMHO)..

I'm willing to bet there will be another Star Trek show down the road.
If you had seen one of the last few shows (a 2 parter) of Enterprise you
would have seen a NEW, completely
recreated bridge set from Kirks Enterprise. They did a fantastic job.
I could not tell the difference, and I'm a
perfectionist on stuff like this. They spent a ton of money on this.
Logic tells me that this kind of detail and money
spent is not just for 2 episodes of a canceled show. I'm willing to bet
that "the bridge" and the other sets that were recreated exactly
will be used again for another Star Trek series. remember your ST:TOS,
The Enterprise had 2 captains before Kirk, and the Enterprise was 15 years
old before he got it.

Any comments on this?

I pretty much quit watching TV in high school, and started watching
again recently due to a slump in high-tech contracting causing me to
need cheap entertainment. I found there were some pretty good
speculative fiction shows - much better than most of what I remembered
from the 60s and 70s - in reruns, and some currently airing.
Now I find myself in a place with a definite lack of channels - and
hence reruns. So I've started using netflix and torrents to find these
things.
Which leads to my question - what have I missed? What good speculative
fiction has been made since ST:TOS, and is currently available either
on DVD or via torrent? A short description and a note on where to find
it would be appreciated as well. Come to think of it - if you didn't
like it well enough to want to describe it, maybe it's not good
enought to tell me about? But don't worry much about finding it -
given the title, I can take care of that.

Farscape
- A Sci-Fi show where humans don't always come out as the smart ones.
It's the type of show you will either love or hate (based on the
discussions in various sci-fi groups).
- It got cansled because it had less viewers than Stargate SG-1 (SciFi
Channel/Vivendi couldn't afford both shows, so one of them had to go).
Due to a massive pressure from the fans, a movie was made to finish the
show, because it ended in a cliff-hanger.
Firefly
- Best descriped as a "Western in Space". The show got cansled pretty
fast, but there was enough demand from the fans for them to make a movie
too.
Jeremiah
- Loosly based on the comic-book series of the same name.
- It's taking place in a post apocalyptic world, where a virus has wiped
out all adults, and left the young to build a new society.
Battlestar Gallactica
- A remake of the old show, and it's very different, in fact there isn't
much left but some names and the background story.
Andromeda
- About a one man (+ship) mission to re-establish a galactic
confederation in a galaxy that has fallen into anarchy after a galactic
war.
Doctor Who
- Based on the old Brittish kid show, but this time made for adults too.
The 4400
- Abducted people returns, and they have some new abllities, like
healing power, mind reading and much more. The show follows some members
of a goverment agency, who are responsible for keeping an eye on the
returnees, and how they deal with the various problems the new ablilties
is making.
Earth Final Conflict
- Aliens have arived at Earth, and is helping humans with tech and more
to make a better society. But are that their only agenda? (can only
recomed the first season)
- The show reminds me a lot of "V".
Futurama
- Great cartoon with an at times, very bizar humor. It takes place far
out in the future, and follows a pizza delivery guy from our time, that
has been frozen down, and a spaceship team at a parcel delivery service.
It has a lotta reference to sci-fi shows, and about everything else too.
Red Dwarf
- British commedy taking place in a spaceship. Totally weird, and you
REALLY have to like the brittish humor to enjoy this show.
Babylon 5
- Can't say much of it, because I haven't seen it yet, but all my scifi
loving friends keeps telling me to do so.
Birds of Prey
- Based on the comic, it's with an old Batgirl and taking place in
Gotham City.
Cleopatra 2525
- The show kindda sucks, but because of this it can be fun to watch. It
also got babes dressed up to make sure the teen-guys will drool...
Tripping the Rift
- Animated comedy show that's making fun of a lotta sci-fi shows.
I might have missed a few shows, that are worth watching, though I doubt
it. We don't get much sci-fi in Denmark, so I believe the shows we get
or hear about are among the best. Anyway I hope it will be of some help
for you.
PS. Try read about the shows at
<http://www.tv.com/science-fiction/genre/10/summary.html> if you want to
know more.

[Gerald Meazell]

Post by Jack O'Neill
I'm willing to bet there will be another Star Trek show down the road.
If you had seen one of the last few shows (a 2 parter) of Enterprise you
would have seen a NEW, completely
recreated bridge set from Kirks Enterprise. They did a fantastic job.
I could not tell the difference, and I'm a
perfectionist on stuff like this. They spent a ton of money on this.
Logic tells me that this kind of detail and money
spent is not just for 2 episodes of a canceled show. I'm willing to bet
that "the bridge" and the other sets that were recreated exactly
will be used again for another Star Trek series. remember your ST:TOS,
The Enterprise had 2 captains before Kirk, and the Enterprise was 15 years
old before he got it.
Any comments on this?

Yeah, if they do another prequel, the ST groups will be ablaze because
the bridge looks like Kirk's rather than like Pike's. There will be
large public pronouncements about violations of canon and promises not
to watch. Then, in the second or third season it will start to get
really good and then get cancelled.

--
Gerald

[The Merry Piper]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:26:12 GMT, Gerald Meazell

Post by Gerald Meazell

Post by Jack O'Neill
I'm willing to bet there will be another Star Trek show down the road.
If you had seen one of the last few shows (a 2 parter) of Enterprise you
would have seen a NEW, completely
recreated bridge set from Kirks Enterprise. They did a fantastic job.
I could not tell the difference, and I'm a
perfectionist on stuff like this. They spent a ton of money on this.
Logic tells me that this kind of detail and money
spent is not just for 2 episodes of a canceled show. I'm willing to bet
that "the bridge" and the other sets that were recreated exactly
will be used again for another Star Trek series. remember your ST:TOS,
The Enterprise had 2 captains before Kirk, and the Enterprise was 15 years
old before he got it.
Any comments on this?

Yeah, if they do another prequel, the ST groups will be ablaze because
the bridge looks like Kirk's rather than like Pike's. There will be
large public pronouncements about violations of canon and promises not
to watch. Then, in the second or third season it will start to get
really good and then get cancelled.

... and the James T. Kirk character will be played by a woman!
[giggle]

--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!

[Jack O'Neill]

Post by The Merry Piper
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:26:12 GMT, Gerald Meazell

Post by Gerald Meazell

Post by Jack O'Neill
I'm willing to bet there will be another Star Trek show down the road.
If you had seen one of the last few shows (a 2 parter) of Enterprise you
would have seen a NEW, completely
recreated bridge set from Kirks Enterprise. They did a fantastic job.
I could not tell the difference, and I'm a
perfectionist on stuff like this. They spent a ton of money on this.
Logic tells me that this kind of detail and money
spent is not just for 2 episodes of a canceled show. I'm willing to bet
that "the bridge" and the other sets that were recreated exactly
will be used again for another Star Trek series. remember your ST:TOS,
The Enterprise had 2 captains before Kirk, and the Enterprise was 15 years
old before he got it.
Any comments on this?

Yeah, if they do another prequel, the ST groups will be ablaze because
the bridge looks like Kirk's rather than like Pike's. There will be
large public pronouncements about violations of canon and promises not
to watch. Then, in the second or third season it will start to get
really good and then get cancelled.

... and the James T. Kirk character will be played by a woman!
[giggle]
--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!

Yea, Madonna :-) If it were a re-make of Kirks timeline. The new show
would be before Kirks time

[Brenda]

Post by Jack O'Neill

Post by The Merry Piper
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:26:12 GMT, Gerald Meazell
I'm willing to bet there will be another Star Trek show down the road.
If you had seen one of the last few shows (a 2 parter) of Enterprise you
would have seen a NEW, completely
recreated bridge set from Kirks Enterprise. They did a fantastic job.
I could not tell the difference, and I'm a
perfectionist on stuff like this. They spent a ton of money on this.
Logic tells me that this kind of detail and money
spent is not just for 2 episodes of a canceled show. I'm willing to bet
that "the bridge" and the other sets that were recreated exactly
will be used again for another Star Trek series. remember your ST:TOS,
The Enterprise had 2 captains before Kirk, and the Enterprise was 15 years
old before he got it.
Any comments on this?
Yeah, if they do another prequel, the ST groups will be ablaze because
the bridge looks like Kirk's rather than like Pike's. There will be
large public pronouncements about violations of canon and promises not
to watch. Then, in the second or third season it will start to get
really good and then get cancelled.
... and the James T. Kirk character will be played by a woman!
[giggle]
--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!

Yea, Madonna :-) If it were a re-make of Kirks timeline. The new show
would be before Kirks time

Madonna as a Captain. Now that could be interesting. Bet she could break bad
on the
evil doers as well.

[Jack O'Neill]

Post by Gerald Meazell

Post by Jack O'Neill
I'm willing to bet there will be another Star Trek show down the road.
If you had seen one of the last few shows (a 2 parter) of Enterprise
you would have seen a NEW, completely
recreated bridge set from Kirks Enterprise. They did a fantastic
job. I could not tell the difference, and I'm a
perfectionist on stuff like this. They spent a ton of money on
this. Logic tells me that this kind of detail and money
spent is not just for 2 episodes of a canceled show. I'm willing to
bet that "the bridge" and the other sets that were recreated exactly
will be used again for another Star Trek series. remember your
ST:TOS, The Enterprise had 2 captains before Kirk, and the
Enterprise was 15 years
old before he got it.
Any comments on this?

Yeah, if they do another prequel, the ST groups will be ablaze because
the bridge looks like Kirk's rather than like Pike's. There will be
large public pronouncements about violations of canon and promises not
to watch. Then, in the second or third season it will start to get
really good and then get cancelled.
--
Gerald

Yep, that might be true about the differences of Pikes and Kirks
bridge. They are the same only with
subtle or slight differences, like the view screen and the row of
lights under it but the bridge is basically the same.
What would really suck if they would put the blue lights on the
engines!! And you're right about killing it when it started
to roll.
Not to worry, if that happens the Sci-Fi channel will make another
movie. Ya know, Frankinstein vs. Gatorman. eeeeeeeee

[jewahe]

Post by Jack O'Neill
Also, Star Trek The Next Generation. on for 7 years (or so) .
Most were very good.

IMHO, ST:TNG is the best Sci-fi show. Ever. Especially after Season 4.
For the most part, it was very cohesive in both created history and
character.

Post by Jack O'Neill
Star Trek Deep Space Nine. An OK show, but got very annoying with all
the political crap
later on, Even I stopped watching it the last 2 years.

This show was hit-or-miss to me. There were exceptionally good
episodes, and exceptionally bad ones. Most were mediocre. I thought
most of the characters weren't consistently written, and the plots
often had huge holes or Deux-ex-machina endings. Of course, I was
hit-or-miss in watching it, since the stations in the city I lived end
tended to change its time at the drop of a hat.

I've been gradually getting caught up, but haven't really focused on
trying to do so.

Post by Jack O'Neill
Star Trek Voyager, Another OK show which was worth watching. Many were
good.

IMO, most episodes were mediocre at best. I think that if you came
into VOY without having seen TNG, it might have been worthwhile, but
having been a fan of TNG, I found most of the plots to be just
rehashed, tired versions of TNG plots. The major issues for most Trek
fans, though, is that it disregarded the continuity of the series. I'm
not as worried about that, but it did cause some problems throughout
the series.

I got into this series late - it was the first ST series that wasn't
appointment-television for me, but only because Paramount used it to
launch UPN, and I didn't live in a city that picked up the feed. When
it finally went into syndication, I watched most of it, but just found
it lackluster.

Post by Jack O'Neill
Star Trek Enterprise, Another OK show, this one took place about 80
years before
Kirks Enterprise. It was just canceled a few months ago after it
started to get really good (IMHO)..

This series just never clicked with me. It was the first show I
deliberately choose not to watch. I found most of the characters
unimpressive. Also, during the first season, the writers seemed more
interesting in getting the characters (especially Trip) in their
underwear whenever possible, and that got annoying by the third
episode.

My main problem was just that the show lost focus. Previous ST's had a
driving theme (TNG was about the humanity of the crew; DS9 was about
conflict; VOY was about getting home). Enterprise never seemed to find
its theme, and I finally gave up on it during season 2. I watched the
series finale, and except for a few tidbits, I was able to follow the
show - and felt that I was right back to where things started.

Post by Jack O'Neill
I'm willing to bet there will be another Star Trek show down the road.

Definitely. More importantly, since most of the writers have been with
show since the third or fourth season of TNG, a break will allow them
to move on, and, when it's time to dust it off, a new crop of writers
with new ideas will bring a new focus to the next show. Hopefully,
Rick Berman will also move on, and someone else will helm the show and
recapture the essence.

Post by Jack O'Neill
They spent a ton of money on this.
Logic tells me that this kind of detail and money
spent is not just for 2 episodes of a canceled show. I'm willing to bet
that "the bridge" and the other sets that were recreated exactly
will be used again for another Star Trek series. remember your ST:TOS,
The Enterprise had 2 captains before Kirk, and the Enterprise was 15 years
old before he got it.

You never can tell. They may not actually use it - maybe they had a
surplus budget and had the choice to use it or lose it, so they used
it.

Personally, I don't really want to revisit the original Enterprise in
any way. Any prequel series would inherently difficult to maintain,
because of the already-established timelines (both in the novels and in
the shows). I'd just move the series into the future, beyond either
TNG, DS9, or VOY. New technologies, new enemies, and new
possibilities.